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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 2:43 pm    Post subject: ...Yeah... Reply with quote

...she is Quite the "Package" (elizabeth warren)

and all signs point to
OBVIOUSLY
she WILL BE bernie sanders chice for VP
if he wins the Nomination himself for President
!!

i love her too
she's everything an elected official should be
& alot-lot more....
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 5:07 pm    Post subject: Re: ...Yeah... Reply with quote

skweetis, i'm interested in who you're aligned with.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 6:49 pm    Post subject: ...Hah..! Reply with quote

..i'm a lifelong democrat
raised in a working class union household
my parents never voted for a republican
neither have i...,

so - if bernie sanders is a Socialist...,
SO AM I !!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



Mexico originally held this territory. Imagine if that territorial theft had never happened. While studying American minority relations, the topic of illegal immigrants was discussed often. I look at the slaughter of Native Americans and Mexicans and the theft of territories from both Natives and Mexicans through acts of war as disgraceful. Trump compounds past miseries with his words and plans. A wall? To keep out rapists, drug dealers, and criminals? This country creates enough of those who are born in the US. Blacks kill blacks more often, especially in poverty stricken areas, because they have few legitimate outlets. The Mexican people who want to escape their country's poor conditions bring a dedicated work ethic to America. People like Trump gentrify poorer neighborhoods, making them unaffordable to low income residents. There have been areas where this has occured, and when the minorities have to move to more affordable places, the wealthy wonder where all the maids and gardeners have gone. It's ridiculous.

I watched the Fox video, Steve. Within the first few minutes, Trumo had lied. When called out on his abusive comments regarding women, he responded that it was ONLY Rosie O'Donnell, then admitted that there were others. His "...a pretty picture on your knees..." slur was sexist, tactless, and just plain wrong.

Only 532 republicans were polled? That's such an insignificant number, I don't understand what all the ensuing stink was even about.

Trump is arrogant. He's self-serving. He's a chauvinist.

I agree with him on only one point: we need to take greater care of our war veterans.

I do not care which ticket he runs on, especially Republican. He's a self-centered, manipulative, sexist user.

I do not apologize for my mouth. Trump's crap has a way of bringing out the worst in me. Again I say, fuck him.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 9:44 am    Post subject: Re: ...Yeah... Reply with quote

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Mexico originally held this territory. Imagine if that territorial theft had never happened. While studying American minority relations, the topic of illegal immigrants was discussed often. I look at the slaughter of Native Americans and Mexicans and the theft of territories from both Natives and Mexicans through acts of war as disgraceful.


You would also know then that originally Texas and Louisiana was part of the Aztec Empire. When they were defeated by the Spanish - Mexico as we know it today became part of the Spanish empire. Then you had the war for Mexican independence. Then Texas no longer wanted to be under the control of the Mexican government which resulted in the battle of the Alamo - and as they say the rest is history. Also the Native Americans were involved in tribal battles of their own. This was mostly over land and resulted in the killing of many people. So lets not get this idea that they were all innocent victims. It is very easy to lay the blame on America for all that has gone before.

Introvert wrote:
Trump compounds past miseries with his words and plans. A wall? To keep out rapists, drug dealers, and criminals? This country creates enough of those who are born in the US. Blacks kill blacks more often, especially in poverty stricken areas, because they have few legitimate outlets. The Mexican people who want to escape their country's poor conditions bring a dedicated work ethic to America. People like Trump gentrify poorer neighborhoods, making them unaffordable to low income residents. There have been areas where this has occured, and when the minorities have to move to more affordable places, the wealthy wonder where all the maids and gardeners have gone. It's ridiculous.


No a wall to control people going in and out of the country. He also mentioned having a big door in that wall, so people can come into the country legally, something that you failed to mention.

Would you have no border control at all? People can just wander in and out of the country as they please?

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I watched the Fox video, Steve. Within the first few minutes, Trumo had lied. When called out on his abusive comments regarding women, he responded that it was ONLY Rosie O'Donnell


Oh come on he was joking... it was a tongue in cheek moment... where is your sense of humour.

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Only 532 republicans were polled? That's such an insignificant number, I don't understand what all the ensuing stink was even about.


Totally agree but it was picked up by the liberal media and used as another stick to hit Trump with.

I would also like your opinion or anyone else that wants to give an answer to the question below that I asked earlier in the thread.

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You say “Extremists need to be monitored” - So would you agree with surveillance of Muslim communities? This would included police undercover in communities and electronic bugging of homes and phones / internet use of suspected extremists?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damn it I wasn't going to get involved again Laughing

What is funny about sexist/inappropriate sexual remarks? I grew up around this sort of attitude and behaviour towards women and I can assure you it's no fun at all.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What is funny about sexist/inappropriate sexual remarks? I grew up around this sort of attitude and behaviour towards women and I can assure you it's no fun at all.


This. Excellent.


And, I am finished discussing this matter with you, Steve. It is clear that your opinions lie firmly in the Trump camp and mine do not.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gypsy07 wrote:
What is funny about sexist/inappropriate sexual remarks? I grew up around this sort of attitude and behaviour towards women and I can assure you it's no fun at all.


I totally agree with you and I am not saying that the original comments that he made were funny. To be honest I have no knowledge of that. So I just want to clear that up.

My comment was that he was making fun of the question and the reply was meant to be funny. Honestly life is far too short if you can't have a chuckle now and again. Gyps watch the video clip (around 2 mins 30 in) and let me know what you think. If you still believe that he was being serious then fine that is your opinion and I don't have a problem with that.

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Damn it I wasn't going to get involved again Laughing


Why not? It has been a friendly debate from what I can see. And anyway I'm not going to take offence unless you decide to abuse me personally. And I know you'd never do that. Well I hope anyway. Laughing

What I will say is that I'm sure the lurkers have had some entertainment... I'm always happy to please. Pity not one of them joined in but then why does that not surprise me.

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It is clear that your opinions lie firmly in the Trump camp and mine do not.


That is not true. I have clearly stated where I have disagreed with Trump and I also pointed out that he comes well down the list in regard to my views on social and economic issues.

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I am finished discussing this matter with you, Steve.


That's a pity but that is your choice. I'm also disappointed that you have not tried to answer the question that I have asked twice. But I have a good idea why that is and why it has been avoided by everyone.

I'll just end by saying that my views are open for anyone to question me at any time.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just looked up the clip where he made a lewd comment to an Apprentice contestant. I was interested in the context there.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=urReg9O6MwA

I'm not impressed, but I've dinosaur uncles who think that's an appropriate way to behave still. It's not the worst example of misogyny ever.

That said, I don't think he's demonstrating presidential qualities at all there. It's not a glowing example of how to conduct yourself in a business environment either, I'd have thought.

That remains my biggest gripe with him, he just hasn't got enough finesse about him to be a president I could respect. It's not really about whether he's a Republican or a Democrat, it's just his character. Obama on the other hand, I find it hard to fault the way he conducts himself, and again that hasn't really got anything to do with his politics. He's just a class act.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok Steve, I have watched the video and it hasn't changed my mind at all. I don't think it's funny to call women you don't like fat pigs or dogs, or to wonder (out loud) how lovely they'd look on their knees.

His claim that the world is going too PC and that this sort of thing is just "fun" I find risible, pathetic and plain ignorant, not to mention a major cop-out. We have enough men in society who use the PC card to justify this type of nonsense, we don't need another one in the White House.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



Charles Montgomery "Monty" Burns (aka Donald Trump).

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Foggy, I've had a look at the clip and I pretty much agree with all that you said but what I would add is that the women doesn't seem upset in the slightest by the comment. Well that is my interpretation from the look on her face and that is all I can go on.

Gypsy07 wrote:
Ok Steve, I have watched the video and it hasn't changed my mind at all. I don't think it's funny to call women you don't like fat pigs or dogs, or to wonder (out loud) how lovely they'd look on their knees.


Okay but I wasn't talking about what was said by the person asking the question.

I still say that his "only Rosie O'Donnell" comment was an attempt at humour. I maybe wrong but that was my interpretation of it when I first saw it and it still is.

But just to make it clear I will repost my comments again regarding my opinion of the name calling.

steve wrote:
I am not saying that the original comments that he made were funny. To be honest I have no knowledge of that.


I have had a quick search and from what I can see it was Rosie O'Donnell who started the feud with Trump over 10 years ago. Not that that should matter. I don't think that either of them come out of it with any credit. It's childish name calling, something that I find pathetic.

I did not come into this with a preconceived opinion of Trump or any baggage. My focus has been on what he has said during the debates. I have little if any knowledge of comments that he has made prior to this. And to be honest I'm not that interested. What I would say is that comments that he has made over the last 10 years or so has a clear bearing on his credibility to become president.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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debs, really good post and thank you for taking the time to look at the video and give your opinion based on just that. The clips where taken from the first debate. All the debates are available on youtube. I think they are a very good way to get an understanding of where a person stands on the important issues away from the filtered biased media reporting. Unfortunately news reporting is now about soundbites and sensational headlines. We all know that, yet people still form opinions based on it. What makes me laugh is the only time they complain is when the bias is against what they perceive to be true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUQJKMngrYo


Thanks - I'll watch some of the others when I get a chance, turns out I might be going to the US for a year soon so I'll certainly be a bit closer to these issues!

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I agree that he didn't seem to have any real evidence regarding the involvement of the Mexican government and to he honest I find his theory a bit hard to believe.


Oh, I can well believe it's happening - I just think anyone in his position should get the evidence before opening his mouth, otherwise it could backfire.


On a slightly lighter note - did anyone realise he is in Home Alone 2??
I've lost count of the times I've seen that film, but only noticed the other day.. It was definitely him..
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2016 3:28 pm    Post subject: Re: ...Yeah... Reply with quote

steve wrote:

No a wall to control people going in and out of the country. He also mentioned having a big door in that wall, so people can come into the country legally, something that you failed to mention.

Would you have no border control at all? People can just wander in and out of the country as they please?


It does annoy me when politicians are scared to broach immigration restrictions - as long as everyone is bound by the same rules it's fair, the world is far from being able to have uncontrolled borders.

It did make me laugh when he used Scotland as an example of building a wall to keep undesirables out.. Smile

Also - I can't help thinking of one of my favourite TV shows whenever 'the wall' comes up in conversation..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v-6fmx2kO0
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debz wrote:

On a slightly lighter note - did anyone realise he is in Home Alone 2??
I've lost count of the times I've seen that film, but only noticed the other day.. It was definitely him..


No I didn't know that but you are right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXE3Ku-mGrk

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steve wrote:

No a wall to control people going in and out of the country. He also mentioned having a big door in that wall, so people can come into the country legally, something that you failed to mention.

Would you have no border control at all? People can just wander in and out of the country as they please?


It does annoy me when politicians are scared to broach immigration restrictions - as long as everyone is bound by the same rules it's fair, the world is far from being able to have uncontrolled borders.


I totally agree.

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I can't help thinking of one of my favourite TV shows whenever 'the wall' comes up in conversation..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v-6fmx2kO0

Laughing
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